tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3920640965536781054.post8217740243830907542..comments2024-01-07T12:38:39.465-06:00Comments on Clean Cut: The Mormon Jesus and the Love of GodClean Cuthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08383123314458721660noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3920640965536781054.post-62298157158563275492009-10-27T15:07:09.675-05:002009-10-27T15:07:09.675-05:00I know this will sound rediculus but at what point...I know this will sound rediculus but at what point would we be said to worship a "different Jesus". <br /><br />I think I asked this before CC but do you condsider BY's Adam God to be the same one you whorsip today?<br /><br />Because to me they would have different origins and nature even is they share the same name.<br /><br />Some of David Koresh's followers sadly thought him to be Christ was he? They could say we worship Christ.<br /><br />It seems to me that for some reason it is hard for LDS to say that their Jesus is different than the majority of the Christian world. I am not saying that you can't worship him as you see fit or that you.<br /><br />You seem to be saying that LDS just have fuller understanding of who Jesus is. If the current prophet told you by revelation that "hey wait BY was right about Adam/God" wouldn't you have to change you perception of who you were following?<br /><br />I know that you stick strictly to the cannon but it does seem that many of your members and leadership do and have described someone completely foreign to minstream Christianity.<br /><br />Diiffernt is ok. But calling disparate things the same is not.kelarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3920640965536781054.post-31227600940989454212009-05-01T16:02:00.000-05:002009-05-01T16:02:00.000-05:00I know, Tom, I know. The frustration with such ar...I know, Tom, I know. The frustration with such arrogance was captured well by Ray/Papa D in his most recent post over at "Things Of My Soul": <A HREF="http://thingsofmysoul.blogspot.com/2009/05/creeds-they-are-right-cause-you-know.html" REL="nofollow">The Creeds: "They Are Right, 'Cause, You Know, They Just Are."</A>Clean Cuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08383123314458721660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3920640965536781054.post-6092955722689974092009-05-01T13:59:00.000-05:002009-05-01T13:59:00.000-05:00CC-
In light of a recent conversation at "I Love ...CC-<br /><br />In light of a recent conversation at "I Love Mormons" and this post by you, I've been thinking a lot about this topic (I don't know if you noticed my comment immediately preceding yours over at "I Love Mormons"). <br /><br />They admit that we can be saved while in the Mormon Church, but for some reason we have to leave the Mormon Church. God didn't tell me that when I was saved. Nor has he told me that at any time since.Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3920640965536781054.post-6286013572206650672009-04-29T23:26:00.000-05:002009-04-29T23:26:00.000-05:00Cleancut thanks for sharing this with us. It is e...Cleancut thanks for sharing this with us. It is excellent and spot on!<br /><br />Trevor, very very good point. My mother is a born again non-denomonational ex-mormon Christian. That makes some of our conversations very intersting. Anyways, I remember one day she had me recite the believer's prayer as if it would somehow transform me. I did it to appease her but afterwards I told her I didn't need to do this. I'd already accepted Jesus a long time ago. Somehow that wasn't enough. I'm still confused with the whole thing. <br /><br />In my opinion, that rational is very naiive and limits Jesus' power. Amen to the quote that I believe in the power of Jesus and not the Bible. The Bible is a book that testifies of Jesus' power...not the source of His power. We receive strength from Jesus not the Bible.amahttp://www.graceforgrace.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3920640965536781054.post-13080209579855878282009-04-28T10:11:00.000-05:002009-04-28T10:11:00.000-05:00Very well said. Thank you for saying it. I whole...Very well said. Thank you for saying it. I wholeheartedly agree.Richard Chamberlainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16270371604705542096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3920640965536781054.post-21148159076470886162009-04-27T07:49:00.000-05:002009-04-27T07:49:00.000-05:00Great addition, Trevor. I'm glad you thought of t...Great addition, Trevor. I'm glad you thought of that quote from Robinson in "How Wide the Divide?"--that too is spot on.Clean Cuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08383123314458721660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3920640965536781054.post-76075434369172691142009-04-26T22:28:00.000-05:002009-04-26T22:28:00.000-05:00this post remind me a lot of one of steve robinson...this post remind me a lot of one of steve robinson's sections in "how wide the divide" he explained, after being told to accept Jesus as his Savior, "When i respond that i do so confess and accept him - on occasion even making confession (sincerely) on the spot, i am assured that heaven is mine. But, when i mention i am also a Mormon, things change. Then the initial promise is usually amended with either a) the confession wont work for mormon, that in our case we must not only accept Jesus to be saved, but must also reject the restoration and pass other doctrinal tests, or b) that uniquely of all human beings, latter-day saints are not able to confess Christ properly, even when we intend to."<br /><br />he then goes on asking a series of rhetorical questions like, " even if the rest of mormonism, apart from our faith in Christ, is not true (though i firmly believe it is), then which is more potent, my theological 'error' in believing the book of mormon or Christ's saving blood as i call upon his name?"<br /><br />I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.trevorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03836880386468032934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3920640965536781054.post-65449211155078033402009-04-25T17:31:00.000-05:002009-04-25T17:31:00.000-05:00I wish sometimes that we had different terms than ...I wish sometimes that we had different terms than "saved", "eternal life", etc. We, as Mormons, know that these mean different things in different contexts but the mainstream Christian world has a very narrow view of what they mean. It causes a lot of confussion. They accuse us of double-talk and I guess, if I were them, I'd feel the same way.<br />Should we bow to their limited understanding or should we expect them to rise to our understanding?<br />I don't know.<br />Nice post and I couldn't agree more that a man will never be damned for believing too much.Bruce in Montanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08480425208723630243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3920640965536781054.post-87539352727574779012009-04-25T15:56:00.000-05:002009-04-25T15:56:00.000-05:00To make this perfectly clear:
We disagree with o...To make this perfectly clear: <br /><br />We disagree with others about doctrinal issues, but we simply do not deny their status as believers - as Christians. We also do not condemn them to Hell.Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3920640965536781054.post-38255936021863159852009-04-25T15:54:00.000-05:002009-04-25T15:54:00.000-05:00"Now, unless the Mormon Jesus did all this same st..."Now, unless the Mormon Jesus did all this same stuff down the street or something, it’s pretty hard to distinguish between the two." <br /><br />Amen, brother. <br /><br />The same thing frustrates me. I have done absolutely everything others require objectively, and the sheer hypocrisy of people who disagree over LOTS of points of doctrine condemning others to Hell over differing points of doctrine . . . That simply is nonsensical. <br /><br />Think about that: Baptists and Methodists and Presbyterians disagree over central points of doctrine - right down to what things are necessary for correct worship. It's the whole reason people have argued and fought for centuries - that they believed these differences were important enough to form different denominations to teach those differences. <br /><br />Yet somehow, our teachings are so different as to disqualify us from the grace of God. <br /><br />It's just ludicrous and hypocritical - and so very un-Christian.Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3920640965536781054.post-2772805209325925552009-04-25T14:09:00.001-05:002009-04-25T14:09:00.001-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17178403692114327318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3920640965536781054.post-88103072688884728332009-04-25T14:09:00.000-05:002009-04-25T14:09:00.000-05:00This is one of the best posts written on this subj...This is one of the best posts written on this subject that I've ever read! I have gone through so much frustration in speaking with my Christian friends who tell me about "the Mormon Jesus". <br /><br />I really love that statement about believing too much. It's spot on!Untypically Jiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18330167453568204410noreply@blogger.com